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[Doomsday]

Hey guys,

i have been having a problem with me PC latley. When i start it up it gives a small *beeep* and then doesnot boot. i restart it and the same happens.

So i opened the side casing panel and started removing and attaching the different hardware. Firstly the Rams, then the GPU, the SATA cables. and next time powered on it booted and ran fine. I shut it down again and when i powered it on, same *BeeeeeP*!!

so i only removed the GPU and attached it back and it started, sometimes even removing the RAM and attaching it back it starts.
My casing is also giving small electricity shocks if i touch the metallic areas!!!

One of my friend says if u dont get the casing earthed, i might end up with a dead Mobo or GPU!!

Any ideas suggestions on what i should do and what the real problem is?!?

 

[b1lk1]

That PSU in your signature is possibly the last I'd trust with my hardware. I'd blame it first and if it goes it very well WILL take other parts down with the ship. Stick to Corsair, Seasonic or Silverstone if you ask me. Any good 450W-550W PSU from those companies would be far better than that CM.

 

[Doomsday]

That PSU in your signature is possibly the last I'd trust with my hardware. I'd blame it first and if it goes it very well WILL take other parts down with the ship. Stick to Corsair, Seasonic or Silverstone if you ask me. Any good 450W-550W PSU from those companies would be far better than that CM.

wot bout the no booting thingy?

PSU i am gonna change when i buy a new GPU, CM has some good PSUs too. Their SilentPro series is top notch!

I only have CM and Corsair available here. Hmm, maybe i'll buy the 550W Modular Corsair one!

 

[Kougar]

The only Cooler Master PSUs I would have recommended would of been their UCP (Ultimate Circuit Protection) models. These were the first PSUs to be 80 PLUS Silver rated for efficiency, are quiet, and are only offered in 700W or larger sizes. I say would have, because my own 1100W UCP unit developed a shorting issue and was causing some very hard to pin down problems until I replaced it just a couple weeks ago.

Not to hate on Cooler Master, but I frequently hear nothing but bad things with their non-premium models. They are better than no-name units, but they are still built with cost first and quality second. This means enthusiasts that demand more from their power supplies typically blow them or burn them out quickly. For a really old system they are fine, but I recommend finding a quality PSU for your main system.

As for myself... I no longer trust Cooler Master's UCP series, the only other option is PC Power & Cooling for my personal PC. I originally used a PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad Silencer a bit over a year before I received the 1100W UCP, and the Quad Silencer still works perfectly in my system right now.

My casing is also giving small electricity shocks if i touch the metallic areas!!!

One of my friend says if u dont get the casing earthed, i might end up with a dead Mobo or GPU!!

Well maybe you have a positive personality? More seriously, you should use a multimeter to check. ALL computer power supplies ground the case to earth, this is by design. So if your PSU is not grounding, or it is imparting a charge instead of grounding to earth then either you are not using a 3-prong power plug, or the PSU is defective. A multimeter would tell you pretty quick.

 

[Doomsday]

The only Cooler Master PSUs I would have recommended would of been their UCP (Ultimate Circuit Protection) models. These were the first PSUs to be 80 PLUS Silver rated for efficiency, are quiet, and are only offered in 700W or larger sizes. I say would have, because my own 1100W UCP unit developed a shorting issue and was causing some very hard to pin down problems until I replaced it just a couple weeks ago.

Not to hate on Cooler Master, but I frequently hear nothing but bad things with their non-premium models. They are better than no-name units, but they are still built with cost first and quality second. This means enthusiasts that demand more from their power supplies typically blow them or burn them out quickly. For a really old system they are fine, but I recommend finding a quality PSU for your main system.

As for myself... I no longer trust Cooler Master's UCP series, the only other option is PC Power & Cooling for my personal PC. I originally used a PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad Silencer a bit over a year before I received the 1100W UCP, and the Quad Silencer still works perfectly in my system right now.



Well maybe you have a positive personality? More seriously, you should use a multimeter to check. ALL computer power supplies ground the case to earth, this is by design. So if your PSU is not grounding, or it is imparting a charge instead of grounding to earth then either you are not using a 3-prong power plug, or the PSU is defective. A multimeter would tell you pretty quick.

lol! well, i think i'll go for a Corsair PSU this time for sure!

hmm, i dont use a 3-prong power plug, cause the 3rd pin is not there on the plug, it seems as it is supposed to be though! i'll use the multi meter!

thanx man!

 

[Optix]

Wait now, you're missing the 3rd pin? Hmm...maybe your power connections are different than what we have in North America but isn't the 3rd pin your ground? It would say that you have a grounding issue somewhere along the line if you are getting a shock from your case.

 

[Kougar]

Going by Google, Pakistan seems to use two types of plugs... 2 prongs, then 3 prongs. Without the third prong the PSU cannot ground itself to earth, hence why you would be sensing or feeling a shock when you touch the case. Instead of grounding the case to earth, it would be grounding itself to the case, and anything touching it that was slightly conductive.

Corsair uses reputable brand PSUs, so they should be fine. Just make sure to get a PSU cord that uses a third grounding prong if you don't have one.

 

[Doomsday]

Wait now, you're missing the 3rd pin? Hmm...maybe your power connections are different than what we have in North America but isn't the 3rd pin your ground? It would say that you have a grounding issue somewhere along the line if you are getting a shock from your case.

yup, different here!

Going by Google, Pakistan seems to use two types of plugs... 2 prongs, then 3 prongs. Without the third prong the PSU cannot ground itself to earth, hence why you would be sensing or feeling a shock when you touch the case. Instead of grounding the case to earth, it would be grounding itself to the case, and anything touching it that was slightly conductive.

Corsair uses reputable brand PSUs, so they should be fine. Just make sure to get a PSU cord that uses a third grounding prong if you don't have one.

Aye, that be true! 3 prongs are only used for Air Conditioners, Refrigerators , Irons etc...

i'll definitely try to get the 3 prong one for my current PSU!

Oh, but another thing, the shocks only started recently, same thing happened to my other friend's chassis, the HAF 932 with Cooler Master Extreme 600W. The first year or so, no shock, but now there be shocks, that be weird no?!?

 

[Kougar]

I'm not an expert on power supplies so I can't say with certainty, but if the shocks only started recently then I'd assume it was a sign that components on both PSUs were starting to go south... in otherwords starting to weaken and or fail.

 

[Optix]

I agree with Kougar. Either that or something has shifted ever so slightly causing a grounding problem.

Regardless, the easiest (and probably cheapest) place to start is at your PSU cable.

Here in Canada we use 3-prong plugs for our towers and monitors.

 

[TheCrimsonStar]

yep that's the issue

I have no clue why Cooler Master would even MAKE a PSU without a 3-prong plug. that's just...stupid. 1st prong is hot, second is neutral, and 3rd (if there is one) is ground. I would definitely say that your problem is not having a 3rd prong on the plug. I would suggest buying one of the PSU's that b1lk1 or Kougar suggested, and make sure before you order it that it uses a 3-prong plug. That way if the PSU starts to go bad, it won't fry your mobo or gpu.
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[Doomsday]

I have no clue why Cooler Master would even MAKE a PSU without a 3-prong plug. that's just...stupid. 1st prong is hot, second is neutral, and 3rd (if there is one) is ground. I would definitely say that your problem is not having a 3rd prong on the plug. I would suggest buying one of the PSU's that b1lk1 or Kougar suggested, and make sure before you order it that it uses a 3-prong plug. That way if the PSU starts to go bad, it won't fry your mobo or gpu.

yup yup! Corsair me will buy!

 

[Optix]

I'm putting Corsair PSU's in all of my customer's builds. The HX850W can be had for an absolute steal if you don't mind a non-modular PSU.

 

[DarkStarr]

Non modular is where its at lol, never used modular because they always seem more expensive, and who can justify buying a modular PSU when you get a 500 watt SLI capable PSU for free.

 

[Optix]

I wouldn't call any 500 watt PSU SLI capable in this day and age unless you are using it to -only- power your GPU's, especially since power requirements for Nvidia cards keep going up and up. By the time you add in CPU and memory overclocking, two GPU's likely overclocked as well, any additional PCI cards, a few hard drives and an optical drive not to mention two or three case fans. Add in all of these and I seriously doubt there is enough juice to run properly.

 

[DarkStarr]

Yea I know but its a nice PSU being used in an old 1.5 Gb ram 3 Ghz P4, a 6800 GT and a couple drives, I wouldnt use it for SLI unless it was something low power. Actually my new system (stock) supposedly uses only 485 watts till I add the 47 watt 8600 GT which pushes it to 532 watts but then OC pushes it more to 579 for just the processor OC. wow I'm glad I got an 850 watt PSU

 

[Doomsday]

Alas, my GPU went dead today! Will be buying a new one, most probably the HD5830 or a cheapo Nvidia one just to wait till the GTX460 comes out!

also a new PSU, Corsair or the Cooler Master Silent Pro 600W?!?

Could this have been cause of my casing not being earthed?!? My friend is coming to me house and he will attach a wire and do some earthiing to my chassis in order to earth it, this solved his chassis shock problem.

R.I.P XFX 9600GT, we had some good 19 months!

 

[Doomsday]

Well, this is my luck! ALL Corsair PSU models are finished. None available, and the sole distributor who imported em is saying he will not order more! Cooler Master is the clear seller here!

i have no choice but to go for the CM Silent Pro 600W. And as for the GPU i'm still confused, pls help me guys!!

my budget is $380. The Silent pro 600W is for $91

rest ill spend on the GPU! I'm confused as whether i should wait for the GTX460 or should i just buy the HD5830 available here for $280!

OR not buy anything, just buy another 9600GT and wait out till a corsair PSU and the GTX460 are available here??????????

PLS HELP?!!!!

i am going to connect the earthing wire from the Air conditioner socket on to the third prong of my power cord from the PSU. This solved my friends shock chassis problem.


EDIT: i Googled a lot of reviews of the silent pro 600W and they r all very positive!

i can go for a GTS250 + Silent Pro 600W ?!?

 

[Kougar]

I'd recommend the 5830 over the GTS250 if at all possible, there's a good performance gap there and the GTS 250 is just a rebadged 9800GTX+.

How much more is the 5850 in comparison to the 5830?

As far as the GTX 460 is concerned, I don't know what the price or performance will be.

 

[Doomsday]

I'd recommend the 5830 over the GTS250 if at all possible, there's a good performance gap there and the GTS 250 is just a rebadged 9800GTX+.

How much more is the 5850 in comparison to the 5830?

As far as the GTX 460 is concerned, I don't know what the price or performance will be.

the 5830 is Rs.24000($280) while the 5850 is Rs.29500.($345). I am concerned bout spending alot of money and my gpu ending u dead in the next 1.5 yrs, so me thinking of staying with the 5770. i wont have to upgrade my PSU either!

though a HD5830 sounds suuuper sweet! for once in me life i will have an awesome GPU!!

but getting a quality 80plus certified psu is also important so i will go with the hd5770 and the CM silent pro 600w!