Apple Patents Forced Advertising

Rob Williams

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As a website owner, I'm well-aware of just how important advertising is to both the livelihood of staff members, and to the health of the site itself. There are some types of ads I don't quite agree with, which is why you don't see them here on our site. There's one kind of ad in particular that bugs me... "pop-unders", which preface an entire website or article with a full-page ad (usually featuring a "skip this ad" button).

But, even with that kind of advertising, I can understand the need, and despite it being an inconvenience, if the site's worth it, then no problem. Plus, the fact that they can be skipped makes the issue a little bit easier to deal with. But what if you couldn't skip them? Or any other type of advertisement for that matter? According to a patent filed by Apple last year, it looks like it could become a reality, although we're not sure how soon.

The patent seems to target mobile computers, or where Apple's concerned, probably handhelds, like the iPhone or iPod touch. The idea is this. An ad is displayed on your screen, and you have to prove to the device that you saw it before you can continue. There isn't a simple "Skip this Ad" button, or if there is, it will be located on different parts of the screen with each ad, so you can't simply guess where it will be.

There's also the possibility that the ad will ask you a skill-testing question, with the answer being related to the ad. In this case, you actually would have to watch the entire ad if you wanted to gain control back over your device. It sounds insane, but the way things are going, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this became a reality soon, but depending on how it's utilized, I might not be entirely against it.

If these ads mean that the device is free, then some people (not me) might prefer to take that route. After all, it's easier to stomach the cost of a device via your time rather than your hard-earned cash. Plus, although I don't think this will happen, at least soon, there's also the possibility that this ad-type could be expanded to other areas of computing as well, such as desktop operating systems. What do you guys think about this? Would you deal with these types of ads to get a free, or cheaper device?

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...forget about having a third-party developer providing you with an AppleScript to bypass this. Unless the advertisement "counts," you'll be locked out of using the device until you can prove you've paid attention. Apple even provides a sample menu bar, which will be haunting my dreams thanks to its Lucida Grande font and obvious Mac integration. This menu allows for the user to "preload" the timer of how long they can use their device without interruption -- by watching multiple advertisements in advance.


Source: PC World
 

Psi*

Tech Monkey
Intrusive ads are what I think of them and I reject the widgets from the providers that have them.
 

MacMan

Partition Master
It Sucks, and it sucks big time!

Like all other big companies, Apple patents hundreds, if not thousands, of patents on a continual basis, and this is but one more. Like many patents, they may, or may not ever see the llight of day, and especialy this one, because this one particularly sucks and it sucks big time!

Some might put up with this crap for a free laptop, but not me. Apple owns many patents and yet, even if and when it implements them, such as OS X's transluceny, Multi-Touch, Expose, the Dock, etc., it does little, if anything, when others like Microsoft copies them, or even when freeware blatently adopts them like Compiz does, Apple usually lets ofthers use them without putting up a fuss. Apple paid millions (undisclosed) for the 'mothers of all patents,' the one that everyone uses daily (downloading files from the internet), and yet after paying untold millions for it (to keep it out of the hands of its competitors, especially patent trolls), Apple has never tried to use it against anyone else, and I doubt if they ever will, and likewise, I also doubt if they will ever use this patent as it would be too offensive for far too many people. Getting away with charging over inflated prices for its sexy gear is one thing, but this patent goes too a little far and I think that Apple knows it. Hopefuly, like the 'mother-of-all-patents,' it will simply use this one to keep others from trying to do the same.

At least I sure in-hell hope so?
 

Rob Williams

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Psi* said:
Intrusive ads are what I think of them and I reject the widgets from the providers that have them.

What are you referring to, exactly? Apps on the App Store, or something?

MacMan said:
Like all other big companies, Apple patents hundreds, if not thousands, of patents on a continual basis, and this is but one more. Like many patents, they may, or may not ever see the llight of day, and especialy this one, because this one particularly sucks and it sucks big time!

That's true, but this one has gained a certain amount of traction, so it's worth looking at. Personally, I can't really see Apple implementing something like this, because as I mentioned in the past, the company isn't going to be interested in cheapening the brand. An implementation like this is something you'd expect to see on a free Nokia cell phone, not an iPhone.

MacMan said:
Apple owns many patents and yet, even if and when it implements them, such as OS X's transluceny, Multi-Touch, Expose, the Dock, etc., it does little, if anything, when others like Microsoft copies them, or even when freeware blatently adopts them like Compiz does, Apple usually lets ofthers use them without putting up a fuss.

While I agree that some developers copy ideas from Apple, I don't believe they have much other option. They implement what's cool, and if they get the idea from some other source, then so be it. Apple might have a right to complain about certain borrowed features, but I'm not quite sure what. To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Apple has borrowed ideas from other companies either. There's no such thing as a perfect software company.
 

Psi*

Tech Monkey
What are you referring to, exactly? Apps on the App Store, or something?
I had a Verizon smart cell phone that wouldn't let me reprogran a couple of buttons on the face. I wouldn't have been so bugged by it, but they were in a prominent location & I kept accidentally hitting them. The buttons kicked off some programs that took too long to load and were all about their online stores for apps & ring tones. I also refuesed to use their ring tones ... I like to make my own!!!! Then they made an upgrade to the phone that prevented downloading ring tones from a computer.:mad:

I dropped Verizon and I avoid any similar locked in advertising. AT&T used to send free text messages for advertising but they could be shutoff.

This thing by Apple ... well now, I would never even pick up of those devices just to feel. Although the thought of throwing it against a brick wall has certain appeal.
 

Rob Williams

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Psi* said:
I had a Verizon smart cell phone that wouldn't let me reprogran a couple of buttons on the face. I wouldn't have been so bugged by it, but they were in a prominent location & I kept accidentally hitting them. The buttons kicked off some programs that took too long to load and were all about their online stores for apps & ring tones.

That problem exists for a lot of phones I've owned as well. I don't have a smart phone, but just a regular cell phone (KRZR), and sometimes when I type a text message, I'll accidentally hit the hang-up button (because the "backspace" is right there) and end up deleting the entire message. It's frustrating. ALL phones should be completely customizable. After all, YOU are the one using it all day, not whoever designed the UI.

Psi* said:
I would never even pick up of those devices just to feel. Although the thought of throwing it against a brick wall has certain appeal.

I'm with you MC Psi*.
 

2Tired2Tango

Tech Monkey
This is soooooo very simple...

Force me to watch advertising and I will throw your useless product in the garbage.

Same thing with "adware" --advertising in software. You put advertising on my desktop and your software is GONE.
 

Rob Williams

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Force me to watch advertising and I will throw your useless product in the garbage.

I agree, and I'm the same, but, the sad thing is that we're different than most regular consumers. I've done some work on people's PCs because and saw ads pop-up in the corner due to anti-virus applications, or ridiculous toolbars installed in their browsers, and when I question them about them, they either say, "I don't even notice it/them." or "They don't bug me.".

I have a feeling that kind of attitude is more normal than most of us might think, so I believe "forced" advertising could be successful in a lot of ways.
 

2Tired2Tango

Tech Monkey
and when I question them about them, they either say, "I don't even notice it/them." or "They don't bug me.".

I on the other hand get calls all the time asking me how to get rid of it. Round here, at least amongst my friends, this stuff is considered a bane on computing and viewed as overtly intrusive... hense totally undesirable.
 

Kougar

Techgage Staff
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If I was trying to use the device and had to stop whatever I was in the middle of doing to view or watch an ad, I'd get pissed fast. I could just imagine googling some question and having to sit to view an ad before getting to view the answer... even worse if I was in a time sensitive situation.

I don't tolerate any sort of message popups on my PC unless it's something important like a virus or nonworking program or program error. All the time I see someone complain or gripe that their game or program got minimized due to some program or OS message, which occasionally can even crash some games. If it pops up, I modify the settings for it so it won't happen again.
 

2Tired2Tango

Tech Monkey
If I was trying to use the device and had to stop whatever I was in the middle of doing to view or watch an ad, I'd get pissed fast. I could just imagine googling some question and having to sit to view an ad before getting to view the answer... even worse if I was in a time sensitive situation.

Yep... Just think what happens when you have to click through the "Yes I saw your freaking ad" chain while trying to dial 911 ... not good.
 
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