water cooling - Page 2

Psi* · 10-28-2009, 06:31 PM

I think your logic is reasonable.

Kougar · 10-28-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi*

thanks Kougar & timely find for the link about the Apogee XT review. I have no problem staying with Swiftech anyway. I am still trying to figure out what the "+" indicates with the XT+.

Both the Heatkiller and the XT have + versions, if you carefully read the review the + is where he modified the block using a bit of extra silicone to increase performance... it's the photos with the grey stuff in it.

Personally I ignored all the + results since I'm not that hardcore, I'd rather lose half a degree of performance and not have to worry about my mod causing problems later down the road.

Psi* · 10-29-2009, 06:44 PM

@Kougar Probably smart ignoring the + results. Tests like these are not documented well enough for reproducibility. Reproducibility is the test of any experiment.

I wonder if there is a Xeon equivalent to the hexa-cores?

Kougar · 10-30-2009, 06:04 PM

Well I'm all for creative engineering that works! But really... 1/2 of a single degree? It's not worth the cost in silicone to me, let alone the risk of me ruining my own block or the water pump. But, it is always interesting to see how designs can be further improved... it depends on the user to figure out how far they want to take it.

Xeon 5600 models will supposedly be Gulftowns.

Psi* · 10-30-2009, 06:31 PM

I agree & I am glad that you commented & reminded me about that 1/2 degree ... ple-e-e-ease.

As well as the lack of mention of curing time.

That gets into psuedo-science and just knowing when to quit while you are ahead!

Thanks for the Xeon 5600 ... I swear I googled but maybe I got distracted.

Rob Williams · 11-02-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kougar

Well I'm all for creative engineering that works! But really... 1/2 of a single degree?

I couldn't agree more. There's a point when the effort isn't reasonable given the gain, and this is a perfect example.

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Originally Posted by Psi*

I wonder if there is a Xeon equivalent to the hexa-cores?

I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. Both the Xeon and Core i9 Gulftown's should be out at around the same time (if not the same day), and the Xeon will either be the same price but much slower, or the same speed and twice as expensive.

Psi* · 11-12-2009, 07:28 PM

I finally dug the pump out of a WC system that I have been using for ... 7 years ... really. Well, when did the Athlon MP come out? This is a dual socket iWill MPX2 motherboard. I had completely forgotten what pump was in the system. Its an Eheim 1048 & I'm pretty happy with that.

I'm pulling things apart & checking thread/fitting sizes. I'm debating tubing size for the new system. This old system had 1/4". No idea why I used something so small. The case has no brand on it, but it is full size. As I read about using 1/2" tubing, the disadvantage to it is the large bend radius it requires but these cases (I have 2) have a huge amount of room so I don't see that as an issue.

This old system uses plastic compression fittings which are pretty cheap. I think the complication will be getting the correct thread tubing fittings for the old parts ... I guess that is just the radiator & pump. Although I do have the older Swiftech MCRES reservoir; each part requires more study that I want to put into it but considering the economy that we have been in I am not as ready to throw $$ at something new just for convenience as I used to. The currently available barbed fittings on the market look to be pretty decent now, especially the ones that Swiftech is offering; but, need to figure out what fits into this pump.

I like the idea of 1/2" tubing not so much for fluid flow resistance, but just for the fluid volume. I don't have a scientific reason for it tho. My logic is that if i don't like the cooling I can get with the 2X120 fans pushing into the radiator that i have now, I can add 1 or 2 fans to pull.

Thinking back to putting these old systems together, assembly was not that big of a deal. Finding the right parts was & that is where I am now again.

So, just throwing this out for flames or even uncontentious comments ... FLAMES are okay and I encourage!!! They do get one to think about things, if with an edge.

10-28-2009, 06:31 PM	#16
Psi* Coastermaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Westport, Connecticut Posts: 164	I think your logic is reasonable. __________________ How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?

10-29-2009, 06:44 PM	#18
Psi* Coastermaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Westport, Connecticut Posts: 164	@Kougar Probably smart ignoring the + results. Tests like these are not documented well enough for reproducibility. Reproducibility is the test of any experiment. I wonder if there is a Xeon equivalent to the hexa-cores? __________________ How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?

10-30-2009, 06:04 PM	#19
Kougar Staff Writer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,497	Well I'm all for creative engineering that works! But really... 1/2 of a single degree? It's not worth the cost in silicone to me, let alone the risk of me ruining my own block or the water pump. But, it is always interesting to see how designs can be further improved... it depends on the user to figure out how far they want to take it. Xeon 5600 models will supposedly be Gulftowns. __________________ Core i7 920 @ 4.2GHz 1.40v (HT on) Gigabyte GA-X58-UD5 (F9e) 3 x 2GB OCZ Platinum 1600MHz 7-7-7-18 EVGA GTX 260 w/ D-Tek Fuzion 2 GFX ASUS Xonar DX \| Cooler Master UCP 1.1kW U2 UFO Cube Case \| Windows 7 RC1 x64 Swiftech Apogee GTZ + MCP655 Pump & Thermochill PA120.3 Radiator

10-30-2009, 06:31 PM	#20
Psi* Coastermaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Westport, Connecticut Posts: 164	I agree & I am glad that you commented & reminded me about that 1/2 degree ... ple-e-e-ease. As well as the lack of mention of curing time. That gets into psuedo-science and just knowing when to quit while you are ahead! Thanks for the Xeon 5600 ... I swear I googled but maybe I got distracted. __________________ How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?

11-12-2009, 07:28 PM	#22
Psi* Coastermaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Westport, Connecticut Posts: 164	into the rebuild, update, & re-use I finally dug the pump out of a WC system that I have been using for ... 7 years ... really. Well, when did the Athlon MP come out? This is a dual socket iWill MPX2 motherboard. I had completely forgotten what pump was in the system. Its an Eheim 1048 & I'm pretty happy with that. I'm pulling things apart & checking thread/fitting sizes. I'm debating tubing size for the new system. This old system had 1/4". No idea why I used something so small. The case has no brand on it, but it is full size. As I read about using 1/2" tubing, the disadvantage to it is the large bend radius it requires but these cases (I have 2) have a huge amount of room so I don't see that as an issue. This old system uses plastic compression fittings which are pretty cheap. I think the complication will be getting the correct thread tubing fittings for the old parts ... I guess that is just the radiator & pump. Although I do have the older Swiftech MCRES reservoir; each part requires more study that I want to put into it but considering the economy that we have been in I am not as ready to throw $$ at something new just for convenience as I used to. The currently available barbed fittings on the market look to be pretty decent now, especially the ones that Swiftech is offering; but, need to figure out what fits into this pump. I like the idea of 1/2" tubing not so much for fluid flow resistance, but just for the fluid volume. I don't have a scientific reason for it tho. My logic is that if i don't like the cooling I can get with the 2X120 fans pushing into the radiator that i have now, I can add 1 or 2 fans to pull. Thinking back to putting these old systems together, assembly was not that big of a deal. Finding the right parts was & that is where I am now again. So, just throwing this out for flames or even uncontentious comments ... FLAMES are okay and I encourage!!! They do get one to think about things, if with an edge. __________________ How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?