Corsair Unveils the World’s Fastest Production DDR2 and DDR1 RAM

[liqnit]

COrsair has crossed a new speed barrier with their new memory modules
DDR2 - 1066MHz, the new TWIN2X1024-8500
DDR1 - 550MHZ TWINX2048-4400PRO

wonder what speeds we will see in DDR3 ....

read here (http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=3964&cid=4)

[madmat]

Interesting, too bad it's Corsair. Yes, I'm a bit biased against them.

[liqnit]

why - as far as i know corsair are good company
never had any trouble using their pruducts

[madmat]

I bought a PC3700 kit for $320 back in 2003 that had bad problems with not wanting to do anything over 466MHz, for $320 it should have some headroom plus I had 4x256Mb sticks of their PC3200LL with BH5 chips that couldn't run the default 2-2-3-5 cas latencies at 200MHz.

All that ram got RMA'd and the replacement ram still had the same problems so I gave the PC3200 away and traded the gig kit of PC3700 for a 512Mb kit of OCZ (2x256Mb) PC4200 that was stable to 560MHz (280FSB 1-1) and swore off Corsair.

Now if they sent me a kit to review and it did what it was supposed to with reasonable headroom I'd stop being pissed at them but until such time as I see that they've got their act together first hand I'm not dropping any of my money on their ram ever again.

[liqnit]

ok so i understand now :(
but i still think it could happen with any brand

[fussnfeathers]

Well........that was three years ago..........the current Corsair RAM is some of the best on the market.

Anyway, I'm not overly confident that they'll be able to produce those sticks in any reliable quantity (OCZ-DFI optimized RAM, anybody?) due to the high quality of the chips required. One bad chip will drop that DDR 550mhz right back down to 400mhz, if not lower.

[madmat]

To my thinking, I could understand if it was 2 sticks out of 12 (yes, 12, PC3700 = 2 sticks, twice. PC3200 + 4 sticks also twice) but to have issues with 12 sticks out of 12 sticks. That's just too high of a failure rate for me to want to spend money on that brand ever again.

If you bought 6 hard drives and they all failed then got 6 more on RMA and they started screwing up would you be very hip on spending money on that brand again? Or 6 motherboards, same thing?

I really doubt that after having 12 out of 12 of anything in a row fail on you that you could honestly say "Hey, I think I'll take a chance on buying Brand X again and see how well my luck runs." I just can't see getting burnt like that again.

[fussnfeathers]

Oh, I agree with you, you had a bad experience. I'm the same way with certian brands. You folks love to recommend DFI. Personally, I've had very bad experiences with them (the shop I used to work at tried DFI a couple years back, and had a 75% failure rate. I can't recommend a DFI board because of that).

[liqnit]

ok didn't think about that in this way you are right

[madmat]

I'm glad you guys can understand my position, most people just think I'm Corsairphobic and have no understanding of why I see that kind of failure rate as anything to consider extreme.

[sbrehm72255]

Don't feel bad madmat, I'm not a big fan of Corsair ram either. I do use several of their other products, but not their ram. Not the best for AMD systems IMHO, they are over hyped.

[Rob Williams]

I personally love Corsair, and the PT4000 2GB kit is the best I have ever used over _any_ maker. I've been extremely pleased with all Corsair I have used, and have had better luck with them than any other.

It's all about luck, apparently.

[DarkSynergy]

It's all about luck, apparently.

Certainly.

A lot of it comes down to the time it was made and in some cases, chips made one week might yield high overclocks and as soon as the next week, the batches of chips are not overclocking as high. As frustrating as that is, and as constant as the manufactures want the process to be, sometimes "stuff" happens that decreases the overclockability of a certain line of chips, whether it be CPUs or RAM.
:techgage:

[(cf)Eclipse]

i wouldn't hold your breath for ddr3 ;)

also, the pc4400 1gb sticks are cool, i talked to a corsair rep and they use infineon CE.. let's hope they got around the 3d stability issues that everyone else was having

[tugovony]

COrsair has crossed a new speed barrier with their new memory modules
DDR2 - 1066MHz, the new TWIN2X1024-8500
DDR1 - 550MHZ TWINX2048-4400PRO

wonder what speeds we will see in DDR3 ....


What is the rush for DDR3? Most computers do not use DDR2 yet.

[fussnfeathers]

What is the rush for DDR3? Most computers do not use DDR2 yet.


Most AMD computers do not. Almost every new Intel machine comes with DDR2, and with the AM2 coming out in a few months, most new AMD machines will come with DDR2 as well.

[LOOP]

Most AMD computers do not. Almost every new Intel machine comes with DDR2, and with the AM2 coming out in a few months, most new AMD machines will come with DDR2 as well.

I wonder how many AMD computers are out there already, that use plain DDR? Millions and millions of them, I bet. The memory companies will be selling DDR for a long time still.

[SqueekyClean]

Yeah, PC-3200 memory is not going to disappear anytime soon.

[fussnfeathers]

I don't disagree there, but up until a couple of months ago, AMD was the lower seller. But remember, you can still buy PC133 if you need it. Sales longetivity has little to do with current machine sales.

Y'all also have to remember that DDR2 was designed as a stopgap between DDR and DDR3. The plans and specs for DDR3 were announced at approximately the same time, but needed other tech to catch up (like higher FSB speeds, faster NB chips, etc).

[tugovony]

AMD sells more to hobbyists and enthusiasts then Intel. Intel sells more thru the big name companies like Dell and Gateway. Intels sales figures will always be higher because of selling thru Dell and Gateway. But AMD is what the majority of people on forums like this one use.

[SqueekyClean]

I don't disagree there, but up until a couple of months ago, AMD was the lower seller. But remember, you can still buy PC133 if you need it. Sales longetivity has little to do with current machine sales.

Y'all also have to remember that DDR2 was designed as a stopgap between DDR and DDR3. The plans and specs for DDR3 were announced at approximately the same time, but needed other tech to catch up (like higher FSB speeds, faster NB chips, etc).

Do we really need DDR3 now? It won't do anyone any good until they come out with faster processors.

[fussnfeathers]

Dual-core procs will certainly benefit from the headroom. What you're talking about is chicken and egg. Yes, we won't see the benefits of DDR3 until faster memory controllers are used (although we are already up to 1066mhz FSB on Intel and 2000mhz HT on AMD), but if the RAM isn't being made, what point is there in Intel and AMD making the processors for it? Somebody has to be first, and since the DDR3 standard was pretty well set a few years back, RAM will be first, with procs and mobos to follow. If everybody just sat around and waited for the others to come up with stuff first, we'd all be posting over the Usenet on 9600baud modems, with 33mhz Turbo processors and 120mb hard drives.

I'll disagree with the idea that the majority of forum users have AMD. Over at Tweaknews, we're split at a pretty even 50/50, with a few more Intel users than AMD. In fact, many of our members run both types of systems (myself included). Regardless of that, discounting Intel sales because of forum posting is kinda silly. Neither Intel nor AMD care about a few 'net forums, and in fact, AMD has always tried to an extent to market to bigger chains (anybody else remember when Gateway and Dell both used AMD procs? The machines sucked, so they went back to Intel).

AMD people laughed at me a year ago when I said AMD would have to go to DDR2 relatively soon, they all said "no way, DDR2 isn't enough of a performance boost for AMD to even look at it", yet here we are, looking at the new AM2 with DDR2 support.

[fullpicture]

DDR2 is not enough of a performance boost, neither is PCI express. They support the newest technologies because if they did not then people would be led into switching to their competition. The +1% improvement is really not worth it.

[DarkSynergy]

We can't stop progress. The next best thing is always around the corner and it's our responsibility to upgrade or not to upgrade. I have plenty of friends with AGP setups that can game just as well as anyone else. Upgraded mobos, sockets, RAM and such are a beautiful thing because eventually, they will mature and become mainstream. The longer something is out, the more it matures and comes down in price. All this new technology only benefits the end users which last time I checked was you and me. :techgage:

[phonywish]

We can't stop progress. The next best thing is always around the corner and it's our responsibility to upgrade or not to upgrade. I have plenty of friends with AGP setups that can game just as well as anyone else.

I'm very happily running on an AGP setup. Geforce 6800 GT AGP graphics card, that is overclocked to the roof. Can run any game as well as anyone using a pci-express.


Upgraded mobos, sockets, RAM and such are a beautiful thing because eventually, they will mature and become mainstream. The longer something is out, the more it matures and comes down in price. All this new technology only benefits the end users which last time I checked was you and me. :techgage:

Seems to me that the end users pays the cost of research when they buy the first generation products that never work as well as advertised. Companies sell their products long before they are ready, they pocket the profits, then they eventually release a product that works as it suppose to. I won't ever buy a first generation product. I wait until the product does mature and works as well as advertised.