Monster Rig.

[sbrehm72255]

Here's my main rig............:D
You can tell from the name that it's a biggin.............:eek:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8816/dsc002079ey.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002079ey.jpg) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8705/dsc002591zz.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002591zz.jpg) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8403/dsc002578ub.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002578ub.jpg) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1205/dsc002555pv.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002555pv.jpg)


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[DarkSynergy]

Thats a good looking PC. What is your PC's specs? I like it quite a bit but your right, it is huge. lol

Did you build that yourself I assume or was that somthing you just got for a project PC. Either way, I like it.

nice going.

[sbrehm72255]

It started out as a standard Mountain Mods UFO last year and I've been slowly changing and upgrading it as I get time and money.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9190/dsc016862ti.jpg

http://www.mountainmods.com

[Rob Williams]

That looks deadly man, serously. Anything that has a nuclear symbol on it intrigues me! What kind of hardware do you have in there, especially the water cooling?

[sbrehm72255]

System specs are a little old by todays standards, I've been upgrading the water cooling more than the system it's self. I'm in need of a new video card and I'm wanting a X2 cpu real bad.

Mountain Mods U2-UFO, DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D, AMD A64 3000 (Venice), PQI Turbo PC4000 (2x512), HIS X800XL, WD SATA 80Gig, Lite-On DVD & DL DVDRW, Hiper Type R 580, No Name 19" LCD.

The cooling system: Swiftech APOGEE block, Swiftech MCW60 GPU block w/MC14 ram sinks, Swiftech MCP655 pump, Home made 40 ounce res, Dual Weapon 2-302 heater cores, dual weapon built custom fan shrouds, 7 Evercool 120mm Aluminum 80 CFM fans, Sunbeam Tech Rheobus.

[madmat]

I'd know that rig anywhere...I've certainly seen it enough at the water cooling sub-forum at [H] forums. Glad to see you here!!

[sbrehm72255]

Had to find someother place to hang out, I got tired of all the trash talk on the [H] forums. It got to the point that I basicly never go there anymore.

This site seems nice and friendly so far...............:)

[madmat]

We're a friendly bunch and can definitely use someone of your talent around here!

[b1lk1]

I love that case. I wish they were available in Canada. I am thinking of attempting to build my own. Very nice.

[sbrehm72255]

Building one shouldn't be all that hard if you have access to some sheet metal tools. If I was still in the Army doing my old job, it'd be super easy, I was a helicopter mechanic for 20 years and the units I was in had great sheet metal shops with everything needed to build a computer case.

[maddmaxx]

Man those cases are huge. You certainly don't have to worry about space. Very nice rig.:)

[sbrehm72255]

Thanks......;) My son has been trying to talk me out of this case for almost a year now, he's a HD colector and his case is full and needs more room. The UFO will hold 9 HD's with the rear rack installed.

[werty316]

Damn that alot of RAID controllers.

[BlindMonk]

The UFO will hold 9 HD's with the rear rack installed.

Now that would do me some good. While were discussing case features here, sbrehm, have you found any such "cub3d" case where the motherboard is allowed to rest comfortably and peaceably flat on the bottom and not perpendicular as tradition demands?

[sbrehm72255]

Mountain Mods does make a Plexi case where the MoBo sits flat, but that's about th only one I've ever seen unless you mod one or mod something.

http://mountainmods.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_64&products_id=276

[werty316]

Whoa that is pretty sweet lookin.

[sbrehm72255]

They are a pretty nice little case, a friend of mine has one that he uses for his Lan Rig.

[liqnit]

Amazing rig
way to go . really make the the term computer room:D

[Tech-Daddy]

Had to find someother place to hang out, I got tired of all the trash talk on the [H] forums. It got to the point that I basicly never go there anymore.

This site seems nice and friendly so far...............:)

QFT!

Yeah... they are a bit abrasive over there. Stick around! This is a good group of guys!

Welcome onboard!
And nice Mountain case! I have a friend that has one, and I got to see it a few weeks back... small it ain't! Not exactly a LAN Party "mobile" rig!

But you can be sure, nobody will walk off with it!
;)

[sbrehm72255]

As big as they are, there's 2 (mine and one other) that normally show up at a local Lan in St Louis a few times a year. ................;) Biggest problem with mine isn't really the size, but the weight, with all that water cooling gear I have installed, it weights a ton. I need help u\just to put it in the van for a road trip..............:)

[Tech-Daddy]

Sounds like you need a good set of wheels on the bottom on that thang!

[sbrehm72255]

It's got those plastic things on the bottom, maybe one day I'll get around to replacing them with some high quality rubber ones so it rolls a bit easier.

[Tech-Daddy]

Find yourself a hospital supply shop and get 2 pair of "gurney wheels"... I believe each of those rolling beds weighs in excess of 300 lbs + weight of the occupant. And the wheels need ot ride smoothly! ;)

Might be a smidge big for your case...

[madscientist327]

I want a computer like that! It's awesome! :)

[sbrehm72255]

Thanks, it's been a lot of work building it and keeping it clean. I'm thinking about re-doing the water cooling again also................;)

[fullpicture]

Thanks, it's been a lot of work building it and keeping it clean. I'm thinking about re-doing the water cooling again also................;)

Is water cooling worth the trouble? Usually with a very nice air heatsink, you can overclock to about the same as water cooling, and you don't need to worry about ever having to maintenance it after installation. Unlike water cooling.

[sbrehm72255]

If it's worth it or not is more a personal thing these days unless you're planning on running max OC's all the time. With air cooling the sound of a high speed fan 24/7 would drive me up a wall, where with water cooling there isn't much noise at the same OC at all. To me it's worth it, plus it's my main hobby and helps pass the time.
I'm in the middle of updating the system now, not because the temps were bad, but because I was just getting tired of the way it was.......;) That and I wanted to have a bit more room and lighten the total weight of the case a little...............:)

[sbrehm72255]

Here's a bit on the update I'm talking about.

I kind of got tired of the huge heater cores I had in my UFO , so I decided that I wanted to change things around a bit and to get rig of some weight along the way.
So I pulled both heater cores and everything that went along with them and for the time being install 1 Black Ice Extreme II in their place. Now I'm trying to get some cash together to get a Thermochill PA120.3 to install on the MoBo side of the case to go along with the BIX II on the right rear.
Pulling the heater cores sure makes my case look empty now and I bet about 20 lbs lighter. The differance in performance isn't as much as one would think, I gained about 2c-3c on the CPU and 2c on the video card, but I still only have a 8c delta between idle and load temps.
Here's some before and after pics with and without the heater cores............... :wink:


http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/755/dsc002010fc.jpg

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[sbrehm72255]

Well, after a lot of thought, I decided to get one of the new Swiftech triple radiators for about half the price of the thermochill. That way I can run the dual 120mm for the video card and use the triple for the CPU, that should keep things pretty cool I think................ ;) And still reduce the overall weight and give me more room as well. I'll just have to mad the front a little to make things fit the way I want.

I have one of these already....... ;)

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCR220-QP.asp

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7698/mcr2206fh.gif

This one should be here next week.

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCR320-QP.asp


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9526/mcr3201kx.gif

[DarkSynergy]

The greatest mod of all is the ghetto RAM cooling setup there. We all have done it so no disrespect meant. Hell, I have a similar cooling solution for my RAM as well as Video capture card so I can't say anything, just admire your lone 80mm facing the memory :p

Got toast?
:techgage:

[Worldstar]

The greatest mod of all is the ghetto RAM cooling setup there. We all have done it so no disrespect meant. Hell, I have a similar cooling solution for my RAM as well as Video capture card so I can't say anything, just admire your lone 80mm facing the memory :p


Are you able to overclock the memory higher with the fan on it? I never thought a fan made much difference in memory overclocking, and am curious.

[sbrehm72255]

I've found that it just makes it more stable over long periods of time........heat kills.............;)

[izzie]

I use a fan on my memory also. Makes me feel a lot more comfortable knowing the fan is there, because the memory was expensive when I bought it. Hopefully it helps to extend the memory's lifetime.

[adabo24]

I use a fan on my memory also. Makes me feel a lot more comfortable knowing the fan is there, because the memory was expensive when I bought it. Hopefully it helps to extend the memory's lifetime.

The only time I had memory go bad was during that time that I had no fan on it. Taught me to always use a fan on my memory to keep it cool.

[MaRm]

I never used a fan on my memory in all the years that I have owned a computer, and it never went bad on me.

[sbrehm72255]

Some get lucky and some don't, like everything else with OC'ing it's the luck of the draw. And with the high cost of parts, why take chances, that is unless you're made out of money or someone else is buying your parts.......;)

[fullpicture]

Better to be safe then sorry. I rather be a tiny bit more careful now and save the money I would of put out later replacing my memory.

[maddmaxx]

Well if it fails and you were cooling it then that's one thing you know that wasn't the cause for the failure. Heat. Safe is good.

[madmat]

Hey, sbrehm, (I can't get used to not calling you BioHazard, man) are you going to run 2 dedicated loops with 2 pumps or Y the output from the pump and run to the rads then the aforementioned blocks?

[izzie]

Hey, sbrehm, (I can't get used to not calling you BioHazard, man) are you going to run 2 dedicated loops with 2 pumps or Y the output from the pump and run to the rads then the aforementioned blocks?

Ohh, is Sbrehm the same guy as Bio-Hazard. I seen Bio-Hazard around on many forums in the past. I always liked that name, why did you change your name?

[sbrehm72255]

Hey, sbrehm, (I can't get used to not calling you BioHazard, man) are you going to run 2 dedicated loops with 2 pumps or Y the output from the pump and run to the rads then the aforementioned blocks?
If I can't get the temps I like with just the one pump, I'm going to go with 2. I still have 2 D4 sitting around here doing nothing and might as well put them to good use...............:D

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2341/dsc000504ea.jpg

As for the name changing, I thought it was time for a change for a while...............:eek: But I still use Bio-Hazard on some sites (old ones).

[madmat]

Very sweet. I like that alloy bodied pump, too bad it's mixing metals. You might as well let me have it since I'm running a bi-metalic loop anyways ;) J/K

BTW, I know who makes that pump but the name eludes me...

[sbrehm72255]

PolarFlo, I've also got matching CPU and GPU TT water blocks also.............:D So that pump is staying with the set, I'm going to use the other.............;)

[sbrehm72255]

Well, I got both of the Swifty radiators installed and such, but I still need some different fans. The aluminum Evercools don't fit, they are slightly larger than a standard 120mm fan, so 3 won't fit next to each other, 2 side-by-side is pretty tight also. And I need 3 pin fan connectors to connect them to the fan controler so I just went and ordered 5 TT 80 CFM 120mm fans. The clear ones in the pic work ok but are onlt 1000 rmp and I'm wanting a bi more cooling power.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4817/dsc000694zu.jpg

[madmat]

What're your temps like so far?

[sbrehm72255]

Not as good as I hoped really, idle is around 27-28c with a load temp of 33-34c. That's at a room temp of 21c with my CPU @ 9x275 and GPU max OC'd at 450/550. The GPU idles at 25c with a max of 30c so far.

I was really hoping for a bit lower, we'll see what I get with the new fans when they get here.

[madmat]

Those temps are nothing to sneeze at though. I'd be happy with that small of a rise above ambient.

[sbrehm72255]

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with them, I just thought that with the big radiator the temps would be lower. But I guess sooner or later you hit a lower limit and you're not going lower unless you get extreme................;)

[sbrehm72255]

Still need a bit of wire management, but I'm still waiting on some new fans..........;)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2831/dsc000721bt.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2017/dsc000733fc.jpg

Then I'll decide on if I need to run dual pumps or not.............;)

[madmat]

Pretty nice! Very clean and well executed.

[sbrehm72255]

Thanks...........:) After I get the new fans, I want to sleeve all the fan wires so they all match.......;)

[Tech-Daddy]

Just curious... looking at the WC rad arrangement, and please forgive my ignorance if I am speaking nutz.

Would temp drop if your hoses were located at the bottom instead of at the top? It would seem that convection would push the hot fluid to the top of the rad, with the cooler fluid settling to the bottom of the rads.

Anyone know if this would be an issue?

[sbrehm72255]

Dosent really make any differance, it's all been tried before. It's sort of like your car radiator where the water inlet is alos on the top and as the water cools, it sinks to the bottom. If they were a single pass radiator, it might make a slight differance on some systems. The general idea is to keep as many bends out of the system tubing as possible to reduce restriction inside the loop.

[Tech-Daddy]

ok... cool. thanks!

[madmat]

I still think you'll get better temps if you run the rads on Y's ;)

[sbrehm72255]

That just adds flow restriction, but I haven't tried that yet, I may do that next time around. Or maybe one radiator inbetween the CPU and GPU blocks.

[madmat]

I'm telling you man, running a Y will slow the water speed down through the rads due to the drop in velocity from splitting the flow in half (and if you'll use 3/4" Y's the resistance will be minimal at worst) so the water will spend nearly twice as long in the radiators :eek:

[werty316]

I'm telling you man, running a Y will slow the water speed down through the rads due to the drop in velocity from splitting the flow in half (and if you'll use 3/4" Y's the resistance will be minimal at worst) so the water will spend nearly twice as long in the radiators :eek:

Thats a good point so then the water can deperse heat more since it is running at a slower speed.

[sbrehm72255]

I'll give that idea a try the next time I drain the system, I see no problems running the tubing that way. As a matter of fact, Lee over at System Cooling suggested the same thing, but I just haven't gotten around to trying it. I even think I have a set of "Y" fitting floating around the shop somewhere.............:D

[sbrehm72255]

I got around to putting a window in the last side panel of my case today. The other side has blue plexi in it and I didn't like the way it came out because it doesn't let enough light show through. So on the other side I used clear, but I don't like totally clear, so I gave it a bit of a frosted look by wet sanding it with 1000 grit wet/dry sandpaper. It lets alot of light show through and really highlites the Bio-Hazard cutout. I think I'm going to redo the other side to match.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8526/dsc001144qv.jpg

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/4861/dsc001153sr.jpg

I know it isn't a huge mod like some, but at least I've got the hole filled..........;)

[sbrehm72255]

I got bored with my water cooling again and decided to switch things up a bit. Here's what I came up with.

I pulled my HD rack out again and relocated my HD into the 5.25 bays again and reinstalled a second radiator (Swiftech MCR220), but this time I'm going with a dual loop. The first loop is going to be all Swiftech (as always) and will include the following for the CPU only; APOGEE CPU block, MCR320 triple radiator with 3 TT 80 CFM 120mm fans, "T" line and a MCP655 pump. The second loop will also be all Swiftech including; MCW60 GPU block, MCR220 dual radiator with 2 TT 80 CFM 120mm fans, "T" line and a Laing D4 pump.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6721/23dp6.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7462/24xg5.jpg

[sbrehm72255]

Here's another upgrade I installed just this week..;)

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3861/dsc00114ob7.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4207/dsc00068am6.jpg

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/2323/dsc00069ux0.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9623/dsc00074bv5.jpg

[sbrehm72255]

One other thing I forgot, I also installed one of those 3 bay Icy Dock hot swap HD cages ..............:)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3323/dsc00063pt4.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6732/dsc00065uh0.jpg

[Rob Williams]

Wow man, that's hardcore! Water cooling for your GPU memory chips :D

First time I've seen that, ever.

[sbrehm72255]

I thought that it was a pretty interesting product when I saw it on Swiftechs site, so I thought I'd give it a try. ......;) It helps out with the ram OC a little, maybe 20-30 MHz, so it's not really worth it in that asspect, unless you maybe are volt modding your card. But before I installed the block, you could feel heat radiating out from the HS pretty good, now there's no heat at all coming from the card at all.........:)

[price0331]

That case looks quite interesting also, i may just pick one up my self in the coming months.

[moon111]

Wow talk about an old thread being brought up from the dead. sbrehm72255 (or biohazard) is still alive on some other forums. Wonder why he left?

[sbrehm72255]

I'm still around, just haven't been taking part in things................;)

I guess I should post a update to the rig as things have changed a little.

As a matter of fact, let me do it while I'm here just in case I forget again.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6909/dsc00038sg6.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6366/dsc00036ho5.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2375/dsc00034dz2.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9800/dsc00033ip3.jpg

And for the internals.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9779/101jh9.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7240/100yr2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8174/95gg6.jpg

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[NicePants42]

I assume there's a T in front of the MCP655 intake?

Looks like you have a quick-disconnect as a fill port, but what is the other quick-disconnect between the MCP655 and the PA120.3 for - easier draining?

I'm a little curious because my current build is going to have a couple of these.

[sbrehm72255]

The highest QD is like you stated, it's on a "T" line for the MCP655 loop. The other is just to make it easire for draining and flushing. At the time I last put the system together I was doing a lot of reviewing and the QD made things much much easier swaping out blocks and such. They do add a bit of restriction to the loop because they self sealing, but not enough to cause any increase in temps...................;)

[NicePants42]

At the time I last put the system together I was doing a lot of reviewing and the QD made things much much easier swaping out blocks and such. They do add a bit of restriction to the loop because they self sealing, but not enough to cause any increase in temps...................;)Heh, keep an eye on my build.

[sbrehm72255]

Figured I'd update this thread a little as well, its been a while I guess............;(

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9664/dsc00191ka2.jpg

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[Rob Williams]

That looks sweet man, and good to see you didn't just build the system to leave it there. You've kept it well-upgraded, haha.

Do you ever have house-guests that are afraid of the beast?

[Merlin]

It DOES look Sweeeeet.
A blend of art and engineering.
And it looks perfect in black and metal tones.
lol....What a beast

Merlin

[werty316]

Looking sweet as usual http://i25.tinypic.com/2h2r23r.gif

[sbrehm72255]

Thanks guys, I'm always messing with the thing as I get a little extra cash or win a contest.............;)

[Merlin]

Thanks guys, I'm always messing with the thing as I get a little extra cash or win a contest.............;)
I see you have a SOYO monitor, I havent heard of them making a monitor, how do you like it?
Is that the same company that makes the motherboards?
One of my builds I used the SOYO Dragon Ultimate ( 939 CPU )
Merlin

[sbrehm72255]

Yup, same company, but they no longer make MoBo's.

So far the display has been great for what I paid for the thing...........;)

It's not top of the line by any means, it's a basic display with the baisc VGA and DVI-D connections and that's it, but for $300 I can't complain.

I have heard that Soyo has changed the specs lately and switched the panel type that they use. They were using S-PVA panels from AUO and what I've been hearing lately is that they are now using a TN panel for better gaming results.

These are the new display specs, brightness is lower and response time is twice as fast.

http://soyo.com/product/LCD_Monitors/9/TOPAZ_S_-_24%26quot%3B_Wide_TFT_LCD_Monitor/408

[Merlin]

What are the temps since you removed the RES and added another system?

That SOYO mobo build that I had, used water cooling.
I just havent had a need to watercool in the last two builds.

Merlin

Merlin

[sbrehm72255]

At 3.2 this is what I've been getting for a load temp.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6797/32loaded5.jpg

I'll have to dig around for temps on my 3.6 and 3.7 OC's, it seems that I've miss placed them somewhere during my last fresh Windows install.

[Merlin]

Theres a new Core Temp

http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

[sbrehm72255]

I found the screenie with my 3.6 OC load temps...................;)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4329/loadtempszz6.jpg